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  Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | Hey guys we been going through the thousands of wtuff from Harold Hahn and came across a ship that just slammed me as THE ship for me. Finally after months of looking for a project that really tripped my trigger it popped up today so I thought I would start a little log on it. Project Overview This will be drawn with Solidworks at full scale and built at 1:48th scale. I will be designing and building at the same time. So as i finish say the Keel Assy I will then build it. Specs on the ship are as follows: General characteristics Class and type:fifth-rate Tons burthen: 879 26⁄94 140 feet 0 inches (42.7 m) (gundeck) 115 feet 9 inches (35.3 m) (keel) Beam: 37 feet 9 1⁄2 inches (11.5 m) Depth of hold: 16 feet 4 inches (5.0 m)Propulsion:Sails Sail plan: Fully-rigged ship Complement: 280–300 Armament: Lower deck: 20 x 18-pounder guns Upper deck: 22 × 9-pounder guns (later upgraded to 12-pounder guns) Quarterdeck: nil Forecastle: 2 × 6-pounder guns So for the Model that comes to: 35 inches (gundeck) 29.9375 inches (gundeck) 9.448 inches (beam) [ Edited Fri Jan 05 2018, 12:03am ] | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | History: HMS Roebuck was a 44-gun, fifth-rate ship of the Royal Navy which served in the American and French Revolutionary Wars. Designed by Sir Thomas Slade in 1769, to operate in the shallower waters of North America, she joined Lord Howe's squadron towards the end of 1775 and took part in operations against New York the following year, engaging the American gun batteries at Red Hook during the Battle of Long Island in August 1776, and forcing a passage up the Hudson River in October. On 25 August 1777, Roebuck escorted troopships to Turkey Point, Maryland, where an army was landed for an assault on Philadelphia. She was again called upon to accompany troopships in December 1779; this time for an attack on Charleston. When the ships-of-the-line, which were too large to enter the harbour, were sent back to New York, Admiral Marriot Arbuthnot made Roebuck his flagship. She was therefore at the front of the attack; leading the British squadron across the bar to engage Fort Moultrie and the American ships beyond. Construction and Fitting: In October 1783, Roebuck underwent repairs at Sheerness and was refitted as hospital ship. She served in this capacity during the capture of Martinique, Guadeloupe and St Lucia by a British fleet under Vice-Admiral Sir John Jervis in 1794. Recommissioned as a troopship in July 1799, Roebuck was part of the fleet, under the command of Vice-Admiral Sir Andrew Mitchell, to which the Dutch surrendered in the Vlieter Incident, on 30 August. Following the Treaty of Amiens in March 1802, Roebuck was paid off and laid up in ordinary at Woolwich Dockyard. When hostilities resumed in May 1803, she was brought back into service as a guardship at Leith, flying the flags of Vice-Admiral Richard Rodney Bligh then Rear-Admiral James Vashon under whom she later transferred to Great Yarmouth. In March 1806, she became a receiving ship, and from some point in 1810, the flagship of Lord Gardner. Roebuck was broken up at Sheerness in July 1811. Roebuck was the prototype of the Roebuck-class ships; two-deck, fifth-rates designed to operate in the shallower waters of North America. She was designed by renowned naval architect, Sir Thomas Slade in 1769 as an improvement on his Phoenix design, and ordered by The Admiralty on 30 November. Her keel of 115 feet 9 inches , was laid down in October the following year at Chatham Dockyard. As built, Roebuck was 140 feet 0 inches long at the gundeck, had a beam of 37 feet 9 1⁄2 inches , and a depth in the hold of 16 feet 4 inches. She measured 879 26⁄94 tons burthen. Launched on 24 April 1774 and completed by the 4 August 1775, Roebuck cost £18,911.0.6d plus a further £1,749.5.5d for fitting. Roebuck was built with two rows of windows in the stern, giving the illusion of an extra deck but behind was a single-level cabin. This design was eventually phased out, with most of the Roebuck-class, after HMS Dolphin, featuring a traditional frigate-style stern. On her lower gun deck, Roebuck carried twenty 18-pounder guns. Her upper deck originally had twenty-two 9 pounders but these were later upgraded to 12 pounders. There were two 6-pounder guns on the forecastle but the quarterdeck was devoid of armament. When fully manned, Roebuck had a complement of 280. This was increased to 300 in 1783 | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | So Now I have the Admiralty drawings in solidworks and Harolds original Frames in there and all lined up. I drew several lines from the Admiralty to check that everything lines up nicely and it does (Pink Lines) So Next tonight I will try to figure out the room and space for the standard British framing of Double frame, Single, Single, Double once that is finished I will do some Lofting and get us some frames made.  | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | Well I tried a few different sizes now decided to try to set it up with 1 gunport and hope when I extend it comes out ok | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | Hard to tell right now with all the straight lines but I got the frames figured out after abt 6 hrs. all the frames around the gunports are the same and the ones in between adjusted the spacing's and they are within 1/2" difference between the entire line of stations. most between 2.85" spacing and 3.125" spacing at a couple wider gaps. I am pretty pleased with it. | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | Here is a rough view of the frame layout at the dead flat area. I have an extra single in there by the center lines but going through a bunch of admiralty drawings for reference it wasnt uncommon at the dead flat to have to add or delete a frame. | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | ps I highlighted the double frames light blue | ||
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| daves |
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| Registered Member #105 Joined: Wed Jul 15 2009, 12:01pmPosts: 2594 | I think you got it yes at the deadflat I found there were 3 even sometimes 4 single frames looking at harolds layout he had an odd frame at the dead flat | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | Yes there seems to be an irregular distance around most dead flats now that the hard part is done i can use my time wisely tonight after work and tomorrow to get the backbones done and maybe loft the hull so i can create my body plan | ||
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| JosephH |
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| Registered Member #4876 Joined: Fri Dec 23 2016, 03:37amPosts: 979 | Well tonight after work got the backbones all drawn up including the decks and the wales. I got the quarterdeck beams drawn in and tomorrow will work on the beams for the other decks and then make a framing sheet then finish the details for the keel bow and stern. then if have time will work on setting up the loft and fairing in the body so that I can create my stations. so far it is moving along nicely since last night when I started now once these drawings are all done things slow down as i cut parts and start drawing details. | ||
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