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HMS ST. LAWRENCE (Canada's Victory)1:72 scale.

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JohnReid

Wed Jun 05 2019, 02:05pm

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This model is actually as it should be with the gunports closed. It is just like Longridge's Victory. I know that it is a great temptation to show all the guns I did the same and that is when I changed it into a diorama signaling dawn. At this time all the guns would be run out until the horizon was scanned for enemy ships.
Personally, I think that the ship looks better with closed gunports as it really shows the beauty of the ships hull.

[ Edited Wed Jun 05 2019, 08:18pm ]

JohnReid

Wed Jun 05 2019, 04:19pm

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If I was going to do a compete build of the St. Lawrence (which I may if possible) I would complete it in one of three ways. Like the Confederacy except I would close the gunports and rig it for the standing rigging to be added later, not like shown with incomplete channels and no deadeyes, missing belaying points, etc.) in the case at later date, it was decided to rig the ship. 3- add stump masts and provision for real masts below decks so they could be completed too if desired. Three rig the ship.
I have been caught up in this dilemma before trying to add things when they are unobtainable. I like to keep all my options open for future changes.

[ Edited Wed Jun 05 2019, 04:47pm ]

JohnReid

Wed Jun 05 2019, 04:56pm

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Commodore Yeo had the St. Lawerence built because he recognized that the war of the lakes would be won by who had the largest ship on Lake Ontario to intimate the other side. The Americans were building large ships at the time too but the treaty was signed before their completion and the Americans turned their attention to the war in the Atlantic thus saving Canada from invasion. Nelson and Washington were considered heroes, where Yeo has been forgotten. I grew up in Kingston and had no idea of his importance to Canada's survival nor do most people living there today let alone Canada as a whole.

Like Nelson, he turned a blind eye to the Admiralty who authorized the building of a frigate, not a first rate.

[ Edited Wed Jun 05 2019, 05:18pm ]

Charles

Thu Jun 06 2019, 11:49am

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John
History is unfortunately wroth by people that have an agenda.

I just look the way it was teach here in Québec.
According to what was teach here French Canadian where not involve in the 1812-1814 war but if you look in the role call of British militia unit you will found a lots of French name.

On one hand the church was telling people in church that the war was a British / American affair
And on the other hand was inciting men to volunteer because they where afraid to loose the control that they have on the religion and language if the American win.

Lots of good men where ignore by the history because it suit some people.

Tim C

Thu Jun 06 2019, 01:54pm

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John
Keep up the good work. Thanks for updates.

Later Tim

JohnReid

Sat Jun 08 2019, 02:42pm

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ChrisMcM

Tue Jun 18 2019, 07:17pm

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John, I will be really interested following your build. I used to live in Kingston, ON and spent many years scuba diving the many wrecks in the area. Most were build in the latter half of the 19th century and include both 2 and 3 masted schooners, barges, side paddle wheelers etc.

As you mentioned the St. Lawrence is very close to shore and sits in about 8 ft of water so it is very easy for people to snorkle on the wreck. The catch is that there really isn't anything to see other than a bunch of piled up, decaying beams.

You might also be interested to know that there are two other wrecks in Deadman's Bay (east side of Fort Henry). They too aren't much to look at but are historically interesting. One is the HMS Princess Charlotte, a 42 gun 5th rate frigate, and the other is the HMS Prince Regent, a 56 gun 4th rate frigate. Both were built and launched at the same time and saw service during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Princess_Charlotte_(1814)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_Regent_(1814)

One last curiosity that I have not confirmed, is that there is another period wreck buried under the football field in front of RMC.

Good luck with your model!

[ Edited Tue Jun 18 2019, 07:53pm ]

ChrisMcM

Tue Jun 18 2019, 07:49pm

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Funny what you can find. Here's what the St. Lawrence looks like today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A49_So8L_pE

Winston

Wed Jun 19 2019, 06:50pm

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"The catch is that there really isn't anything to see other than a bunch of piled up, decaying beams."

For some that is a literal gold mine when it comes to learning how a ship was actually built. Every little piece you have adds to the story in some way or another.