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| Highwingpilot |
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 Registered Member #4099 Joined: Tue Jan 08 2013, 12:42pmPosts: 91 | My oldest son has taken an interest in building a ship model from the Revolutionary War. So I thought I'd show him the ropes (and planks) by scratch building the Hannah at 1/72 scale. The size and detail level is more manageable for a rookie. And he gets to man his ship with readily available plastic figures of the period. We drew our plans from a colonial schooner and pictures we found online. And are just about to start laying the first planks. To make it easier for his first model, we're using basswood for the bulkheads. And a mix of hardwoods for the keel and planking. Some of the keel wood came from trees downed in our yard (a tradition I like to follow). And we're using birch wood for the hull and deck planking. I found coffee stirrers are perfect thickness at this scale. We'll post pictures of our progress. Any feedback and advice is welcome... I'm really rusty on my skills! Thanks in advance, Jim | ||
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| Highwingpilot |
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| Registered Member #4099 Joined: Tue Jan 08 2013, 12:42pmPosts: 91 | Here are some photos showing progress to date.    [ Edited Thu Jun 12 2014, 10:23pm ] | ||
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| teleman |
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  Registered Member #1925 Joined: Tue Nov 29 2011, 05:32amPosts: 1254 | Holle Jin and WELCOME ABOARD!!! Wow you drew your plans from info off the www. Thats pretty slick of you. I see you have a bit of experience in scratch building. You also use wood from your home. So I guess you got the tools to mill your own wood. Thats great. This will be an enjoyable build to watch... take care | ||
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| Highwingpilot |
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| Registered Member #4099 Joined: Tue Jan 08 2013, 12:42pmPosts: 91 | I have an old copy of American Ship Models And How to Build Them by V.R. Grimwood which included a plan of a Colonial Schooner. I used that as the main basis for the bulkheads, and looked at other modeler's photos I found online to add the gun ports and other details. I originally drew it up with about 32 frames. But once I re-sized it to 1/72, I thought that would be overkill for a POB of this small size. Plus my 11 year-old sone cut most of the frames on my old Dremel scroll saw. He's been enjoying it so far. But I don't want him to get overwhelmed with the more tedious tasks. So far, I've included some cedar, birch, and tulip wood in the stem and sternposts. I just split it from a log with a hatchet, and cut it to rough size on my dremel. Then use a block plane and sand paper to get it to the right dimension. I wouldn't do more than a few pieces this way, but it's been my tradition to include wood from my yard. Kind of an homage to the old prisoners of war who built spectacular models from whatever materials they had on hand including bone. Eventually I'd like to get a small table saw and planer or joiner. But since the old ships were built by hand, I figure I can get by with my dremel scroll saw and rotary tools a bit longer. My main goal on this one is to help pass the hobby on to my son. And have do as much of the work as he has interest. So we're kind of making things up as we go along. Again, I'm grateful for any advice you all can send our way. Thanks in advance for the help and encouragement! - Jim [ Edited Sun Jan 20 2013, 10:53pm ] | ||
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| Gene Bodnar |
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 Registered Member #126 Joined: Tue Jul 21 2009, 11:20amPosts: 1782 | Jim, You have a very commendable goal. Not too many youngsters get involved in this great hobby nowadays. Gene | ||
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| Highwingpilot |
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| Registered Member #4099 Joined: Tue Jan 08 2013, 12:42pmPosts: 91 | A couple of questions... one book I read seem to indicate with POB models that the top of the frames that support the bulwarks should be removed after planking the hull. Then the deck planked. Then stanchions added back in after. Unless it was referring to the Hahn method of building, this doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't I leave the frames intact and add the decking around them? And one last question... at 1/72 scale, should we bother with treenails? Seems like they'd be too big for the size of this build? I faked them on a previous build by drilling very small holes, and filling them in with | ||
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| aew |
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aew  Registered Member #1929 Joined: Wed Nov 30 2011, 03:05pmPosts: 2751 | Jim: Cut part way into the side of each bulkhead extension that you need to remove at an early stage, that way they're easy to remove later. The bulwarks can then be planked on the inside without obstruction. Once you've done that, you can add stanchions where you want, which doesn't have to be where the bulkhead extensions were. Furthermore, they're unlikkely to be anything like the size of the extensions you removed. I'm currently building HMS Vanguard which is also 1:72 scale. The instructions say not to bother with caulking which implies no treenails either, but that's your choice. I've used 0.1mm black thread which gives a scale seam of 7mm, which I don't think is unreasonable and is certainly visible!   There are holes drilled in each plank to represent the treenails but no attempt to fill these was made, other than with the matt varnish used on the deck. They are visible, but not conspicuous. | ||
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| Highwingpilot |
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| Registered Member #4099 Joined: Tue Jan 08 2013, 12:42pmPosts: 91 | Thanks for the advice on trimming the bulkheads. I assume you mean to cut partway through along the deck line to make it easier to trim them down in the thickness after the external planking is done? Is it then best to lay down the deck before planking the inside of bulwarks? Beautiful job on your 1/72 Vanguard. And great tip on using thread as caulking. | ||
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| Highwingpilot |
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| Registered Member #4099 Joined: Tue Jan 08 2013, 12:42pmPosts: 91 | Speaking of threads, how thick do you recommend the standing and running rigging to be at this scale? I built a small rope walk out of my old FischerTechnik engineering toy set. Simple to operate and works like a charm. So far I've experimented with running 1, 2, 3, & 4 threads on each of the 3 whirls. Which has yielded lines up to 1/16" (4.5" scale) diameter so far.       | ||
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| aew |
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| aew Registered Member #1929 Joined: Wed Nov 30 2011, 03:05pmPosts: 2751 | Yes to your interpretation of pre-cutting part way through the bulkhead extensions. My preference is to plank the bulwarks before the deck, at least that way painting them is much easier. I can't claim credit for the idea of using thread for caulking; it works well provided you wet the thread before gluing it in place and also brush off excess glue with a wet brush after the plank is in position. That makes sure it's well stuck and won't pull out later when you scrape or sand the deck. I've tried black paper in the past, I found it more fiddly but it looked a little better. However it pulled out quite badly. Here's an interesting variation on the technique that could solve the problem: http://www.modelshipworld.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15100&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=220 | ||
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